From: Bill Graham on

"David J. Littleboy" <davidjl(a)gol.com> wrote in message
news:7aSdndejvpp9R0nWnZ2dnVY3goidnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
> Toss in single-payer and strict control of medical services fees (as done
> in Japan, where medical expenditures are 1/3 (per capita) those in the US
> and quality of care is better) and we can begin to make a dent in the Bush
> deficit.
>
> --
> David J. Littleboy
> Tokyo, Japan
>
>
How many more trillions will he have to spend before you start referring to
it as "the Obama deficit"?

From: Ray Fischer on
Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>"David J. Littleboy" <davidjl(a)gol.com> wrote in message

>> Toss in single-payer and strict control of medical services fees (as done
>> in Japan, where medical expenditures are 1/3 (per capita) those in the US
>> and quality of care is better) and we can begin to make a dent in the Bush
>> deficit.
>>
>How many more trillions will he have to spend before you start referring to
>it as "the Obama deficit"?

Sooner than you admitting to the Bush deficit and the Bush recession.

We know that you're an admitted criminal who would rather see American
destroyed, but spending money to prevent a depression is a legitimate
funciton of government.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer(a)sonic.net

From: Noons on
Ray Fischer wrote,on my timestamp of 26/04/2010 3:36 PM:

> destroyed, but spending money to prevent a depression is a legitimate
> funciton of government.

yeah, but for once it'd be nice if it was money that was spent.
So far, it's only IOUs to China...
From: David Ruether on

"David J. Littleboy" <davidjl(a)gol.com> wrote in message
news:7aSdndejvpp9R0nWnZ2dnVY3goidnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote:
>> "David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote:

>>> I'm not much for conspiracy theories, but one of them does
>>> appear to stand out recently. The Republicans voted for the
>>> VERY expensive *unfunded* Medicare "Advantage" plan,
>>> and to me it appears likely to have been intended to bankrupt
>>> Medicare much sooner (the Republicans are not normally
>>> considered the party of public welfare...;-), and thus finally
>>> eliminate that "socialistic" program. Much as I personally like
>>> my Medicare Advantage plan (what's not to like about it,
>>> except what it would do to the future of Medicare funding),
>>> I would be quite willing to pay more for a "straight" form of
>>> Medicare, without the deceptions and nonsense. With the
>>> recent health care reform legislation, this change is likely to
>>> happen. I tend to see the financial area nonsense as a "Gee,
>>> how can we make it easy for our (rich) friends and us to
>>> make even more money, the industry (and country) stability
>>> be hanged!". Gosh, libertarian rapaciousness really CAN
>>> still operate even in a "socialist" economy...! 8^)

>> To reform our Medicare system, just allow negotiation of drug prices. It is outrageous that I can purchase my pharms in Canada
>> for less money than my co-pay here.

This would help, but do relatively little, unfortunately, overall.
Cutting back on the Advantage plan (as is likely to happen,
with its "free" gym memberships, "free" exams, "free" *yearly*
expensive colonoscopies, and in Florida, basically 100% coverage)
will also help.

> Toss in single-payer and strict control of medical services fees (as done in Japan, where medical expenditures are 1/3 (per
> capita) those in the US and quality of care is better) and we can begin to make a dent in the Bush deficit. --
> David J. Littleboy
> Tokyo, Japan

You point out a better system, but don't you realize that *we* can't
understand that *someone else* may actually have a demonstrably
better way of doing things?! And if it looks even remotely "socialistic",
the idea is dead on arrival. Americans are so unbelievably "insular",
short-sighted, and tied up with their mythologies for their own good...
--DR


From: ken d on
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:54:20 -0400, "David Ruether"
<d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"David J. Littleboy" <davidjl(a)gol.com> wrote in message
>news:7aSdndejvpp9R0nWnZ2dnVY3goidnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote:
>>> "David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> I'm not much for conspiracy theories, but one of them does
>>>> appear to stand out recently. The Republicans voted for the
>>>> VERY expensive *unfunded* Medicare "Advantage" plan,
>>>> and to me it appears likely to have been intended to bankrupt
>>>> Medicare much sooner (the Republicans are not normally
>>>> considered the party of public welfare...;-), and thus finally
>>>> eliminate that "socialistic" program. Much as I personally like
>>>> my Medicare Advantage plan (what's not to like about it,
>>>> except what it would do to the future of Medicare funding),
>>>> I would be quite willing to pay more for a "straight" form of
>>>> Medicare, without the deceptions and nonsense. With the
>>>> recent health care reform legislation, this change is likely to
>>>> happen. I tend to see the financial area nonsense as a "Gee,
>>>> how can we make it easy for our (rich) friends and us to
>>>> make even more money, the industry (and country) stability
>>>> be hanged!". Gosh, libertarian rapaciousness really CAN
>>>> still operate even in a "socialist" economy...! 8^)
>
>>> To reform our Medicare system, just allow negotiation of drug prices. It is outrageous that I can purchase my pharms in Canada
>>> for less money than my co-pay here.
>
>This would help, but do relatively little, unfortunately, overall.
>Cutting back on the Advantage plan (as is likely to happen,
>with its "free" gym memberships, "free" exams, "free" *yearly*
>expensive colonoscopies, and in Florida, basically 100% coverage)
>will also help.
>
>> Toss in single-payer and strict control of medical services fees (as done in Japan, where medical expenditures are 1/3 (per
>> capita) those in the US and quality of care is better) and we can begin to make a dent in the Bush deficit. --
>> David J. Littleboy
>> Tokyo, Japan
>
>You point out a better system, but don't you realize that *we* can't
>understand that *someone else* may actually have a demonstrably
>better way of doing things?! And if it looks even remotely "socialistic",
>the idea is dead on arrival. Americans are so unbelievably "insular",
>short-sighted, and tied up with their mythologies for their own good...
>--DR
>

Health care, Governments, Photography, Cameras ... they're all the same.
The more money you throw at health-care, governments, photography, or
cameras, the better they'll be!

After-all, "You get what you pay for!" Right?

Well, that's what all these fools always keep claiming anyway.

:-)

Fun anecdote: Back in the 80's, I researched the studies done by the Nobel
Laureate who got his award for discovering the Hep-B virus. In his studies
I also discovered that he found the cure for the virus, in a plant from
India. In Ayurvedic practitioner's lingo it's known as Bhumy Amalaki (the
easiest name to buy it under from Indian herb dealers). In scientific
circles it's known as Phylanthus niruri, P. nituri, or P. amarus, 3 names
caused by regional dialect variations and confusion in the identification
of this plant (which added another 9 months to my research to pin down and
sort out the confusion). The drug companies tried to cover it up by
meticulously sending out reps to all libraries to rip out those pages from
the Lancet. Scouring and contacting 5 states of libraries I finally found
the pertinent pages in a small town library that the drug-reps missed
visiting and I got the name of the plant. Bhumy Amalaki is sold for $8 a
pound (back then), and that is enough to cure about 10 people. For less
than $1 you can completely cure someone of Hep-B. But no, the drug
companies can't patent a whole plant. Only the whole plant is effective and
the active constituent can't be synthesized. They tried a few times, coming
up with a drug they were going to market as "Phylanthenol", which failed.
The FDA (government) also prevents all doctors from prescribing a plant. So
they'd rather not tell anyone of the simple cure and let people suffer and
die for the last 30 years until they can make a profit from it.

Back then I sent my findings to the headquarters of the "Act-Up" activists,
with all my research and the recommended dosage regimen. 3 tsp. 3x per day
for 1 week, 1 tsp. 1x per day for another 3-4 weeks. Just spoon the
powdered plant on your tongue, wash down with water, totally safe, no bad
flavor, cannot overdose, been used for other ailments for over 3000 years
in India. If anyone needs to be cured of Hep-B they need only contact
Act-Up (or use the information from this very post), and they can save
their own lives for $1. (Sorry, it is ineffective on Hep-C.)

Or ... you could go on a many-multi-$thousand$-dollar expensive, still
experimental, and deadly interferon program provided by the "excellent"
health-care system.

After-all ... you get what you pay for! Right?

:-)