From: Peter on
"Neil Harrington" <never(a)home.com> wrote in message
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> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
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>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, and our government has defined marriage, so all non-felons should
>>>>> be allowed to participate in it. <snip>
>>>>
>>>> In what State are felons not permitted to marry?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Peter
>>> I was speaking of the general fact that constitutional rights are
>>> available to all non felons......
>>
>> Exactly where in the Constitution does it say that felons lose their
>> rights. And which rights are you talking about. Aside from possibly some
>> under the Second Amendment, which has never been tested?
>
> In many (if not most) states, convicted felons lose the right to vote.
>


Only while incarcerated.
I am not sure of most States. But in NY upon completion of the sentence,
voting rights are restored. I think. or hope, many if not all, states have
provision for restoration of voting rights upon completion of the sentence.

AFAIK the right to vote is a State issue. Indeed because it is not expressly
mentioned in The Constitution, the Reservation of Powers Clause makes it an
exclusive State issue.
I have not researched, nor do I intend to research, litigation on the
constitutionality of The National Voting Rights Act of 1965 (42 U.S.C. �
1973-1973aa-6).

--
Peter

From: Neil Harrington on

"Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
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> "Neil Harrington" <never(a)home.com> wrote in message
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>> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
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>>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
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>>>>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:feqdnRdL4qPZMELWnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, and our government has defined marriage, so all non-felons
>>>>>> should be allowed to participate in it. <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> In what State are felons not permitted to marry?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Peter
>>>> I was speaking of the general fact that constitutional rights are
>>>> available to all non felons......
>>>
>>> Exactly where in the Constitution does it say that felons lose their
>>> rights. And which rights are you talking about. Aside from possibly some
>>> under the Second Amendment, which has never been tested?
>>
>> In many (if not most) states, convicted felons lose the right to vote.
>>
>
>
> Only while incarcerated.

No. In my state a convicted felon loses the right to vote PERMANENTLY, and
the same is true in at least some other states, though I don't know offhand
how many.

> I am not sure of most States. But in NY upon completion of the sentence,
> voting rights are restored. I think. or hope, many if not all, states
> have provision for restoration of voting rights upon completion of the
> sentence.
>
> AFAIK the right to vote is a State issue. Indeed because it is not
> expressly mentioned in The Constitution, the Reservation of Powers Clause
> makes it an exclusive State issue.

Yes, exactly, the Tenth Amendment.

> I have not researched, nor do I intend to research, litigation on the
> constitutionality of The National Voting Rights Act of 1965 (42 U.S.C. �
> 1973-1973aa-6).
>
> --
> Peter


From: Die Wahrheit on
On Wed, 5 May 2010 07:58:23 -0400, "Neil Harrington" <never(a)home.com>
wrote:

>
>Nothing in the Constitution gives you or anyone else the right to redefine a
>commonly used word like "marriage" to suit some goofy political agenda.

Nobody's redefining the word "marriage". Or did you not read the part of
this thread where the true definition of "marriage" was posted to you a few
times. YOU are the only one with a twisted definition of the word
"marriage". You want it to mean something that it does not.



From: Bill Graham on

"Neil Harrington" <never(a)home.com> wrote in message
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> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
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>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
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>>>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, and our government has defined marriage, so all non-felons should
>>>>> be allowed to participate in it. <snip>
>>>>
>>>> In what State are felons not permitted to marry?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Peter
>>> I was speaking of the general fact that constitutional rights are
>>> available to all non felons......
>>
>> Exactly where in the Constitution does it say that felons lose their
>> rights. And which rights are you talking about. Aside from possibly some
>> under the Second Amendment, which has never been tested?
>
> In many (if not most) states, convicted felons lose the right to vote.

Felons don't have the right to own weapons, or vote, and there are other
rights they don't have.

From: David Ruether on

"Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message news:4be1e9e2$0$27745$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com...
> "David Ruether" <d_ruether(a)thotmail.com> wrote in message news:hrsooc$ln1$1(a)ruby.cit.cornell.edu...

>> I thought I would add a bit of levity here with some videos some may
>> not have seen the like of yet --
>>
>> Making fun of Glenn Beck (notice the name of the subject of his tirade ;-)
>> http://beck.cnnbcvideo.com/?p=2742a10887503dcec49aca2c2dbe1204&id=19314-4358708-FqoKtsx
>>
>> And, my recent award as Mom of the Decade! ;-)
>> http://news.cnnbcvideo.com/?nid=OqgbMYfQb3.xCVxNM8c0zDEyODExNTU-&first=David&last=Ruether&z=yes

> You have waaay too much time on your hands. :-) --
> Peter

Um, perhaps so......8^)
Although these clever videos came to me (I didn't make them...;-).
--DR