From: Jeff Jones on
On Wed, 5 May 2010 14:56:55 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:

>
>"Neil Harrington" <never(a)home.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
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>>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:4bdffec6$1$27720$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com...
>>>>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:feqdnRdL4qPZMELWnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, and our government has defined marriage, so all non-felons should
>>>>>> be allowed to participate in it. <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> In what State are felons not permitted to marry?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Peter
>>>> I was speaking of the general fact that constitutional rights are
>>>> available to all non felons......
>>>
>>> Exactly where in the Constitution does it say that felons lose their
>>> rights. And which rights are you talking about. Aside from possibly some
>>> under the Second Amendment, which has never been tested?
>>
>> In many (if not most) states, convicted felons lose the right to vote.
>
>Felons don't have the right to own weapons, or vote, and there are other
>rights they don't have.

Not true. You can still hunt with and own firearms. I spent a season
camping at a hunter's-camp one time that was owned by felons. We had an
interesting discussion on what kinds of firearms they are allowed. They
sold all sorts of fun "toys" in their tourist shop. There are only certain
types of firearms not allowed. The Bill of Rights applies to EVERYONE. I
bet a black-powder burn will hurt just as bad if not more as you are dying.
It just takes a little longer to reload. And crossbows are the only
relatively inexpensive and easy to obtain weapons that can reliably pierce
a flak-jacket. It's handy, and advised, to keep one around should the
government or people like you ever need a lesson. I bought mine from the
above mentioned "felons". All legal.

But then your idiotic comments only partially apply to those that are
willing to obey someone else's opinions (laws). I hear tell that even dead
people have been known to vote.

From: Bill Graham on

"Jeff Jones" <jj197109671(a)mailinator.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 5 May 2010 14:56:55 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Neil Harrington" <never(a)home.com> wrote in message
>>news:KP2dnX6auNel9XzWnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>
>>> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
>>> news:4be14ba7$1$7706$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com...
>>>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:846dndujn9PbRn3WnZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4bdffec6$1$27720$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com...
>>>>>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:feqdnRdL4qPZMELWnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, and our government has defined marriage, so all non-felons
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> be allowed to participate in it. <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In what State are felons not permitted to marry?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>> I was speaking of the general fact that constitutional rights are
>>>>> available to all non felons......
>>>>
>>>> Exactly where in the Constitution does it say that felons lose their
>>>> rights. And which rights are you talking about. Aside from possibly
>>>> some
>>>> under the Second Amendment, which has never been tested?
>>>
>>> In many (if not most) states, convicted felons lose the right to vote.
>>
>>Felons don't have the right to own weapons, or vote, and there are other
>>rights they don't have.
>
> Not true. You can still hunt with and own firearms. I spent a season
> camping at a hunter's-camp one time that was owned by felons. We had an
> interesting discussion on what kinds of firearms they are allowed. They
> sold all sorts of fun "toys" in their tourist shop. There are only certain
> types of firearms not allowed. The Bill of Rights applies to EVERYONE. I
> bet a black-powder burn will hurt just as bad if not more as you are
> dying.
> It just takes a little longer to reload. And crossbows are the only
> relatively inexpensive and easy to obtain weapons that can reliably pierce
> a flak-jacket. It's handy, and advised, to keep one around should the
> government or people like you ever need a lesson. I bought mine from the
> above mentioned "felons". All legal.
>
> But then your idiotic comments only partially apply to those that are
> willing to obey someone else's opinions (laws). I hear tell that even dead
> people have been known to vote.
>
So your claim to my "Idiocy" comes down to a discussion of the definition
of, "firearms". - OK. I stand corrected. There are SOME firearms that are
denied to convicted felons. And voting rights are also restricted. Are you
happy now?

From: Peter on
"Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Neil Harrington" <never(a)home.com> wrote in message
> news:KP2dnX6auNel9XzWnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>
>> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
>> news:4be14ba7$1$7706$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com...
>>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:4bdffec6$1$27720$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com...
>>>>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:feqdnRdL4qPZMELWnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, and our government has defined marriage, so all non-felons
>>>>>> should be allowed to participate in it. <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> In what State are felons not permitted to marry?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Peter
>>>> I was speaking of the general fact that constitutional rights are
>>>> available to all non felons......
>>>
>>> Exactly where in the Constitution does it say that felons lose their
>>> rights. And which rights are you talking about. Aside from possibly some
>>> under the Second Amendment, which has never been tested?
>>
>> In many (if not most) states, convicted felons lose the right to vote.
>
> Felons don't have the right to own weapons, or vote, and there are other
> rights they don't have.


They do not lose voting rights in all States.
Even federal gun rights may be restored upon proper application.
Oops! I forgot, you don't read anything I write. Too bad you are resistant
to learning.

--
Repeat bluster enough times so that someone may believe it.
Peter

From: Peter on
"Jeff Jones" <jj197109671(a)mailinator.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>Felons don't have the right to own weapons, or vote, and there are other
>>rights they don't have.
>
> Not true. You can still hunt with and own firearms. I spent a season
> camping at a hunter's-camp one time that was owned by felons. We had an
> interesting discussion on what kinds of firearms they are allowed. They
> sold all sorts of fun "toys" in their tourist shop. There are only certain
> types of firearms not allowed. The Bill of Rights applies to EVERYONE. I
> bet a black-powder burn will hurt just as bad if not more as you are
> dying.
> It just takes a little longer to reload. And crossbows are the only
> relatively inexpensive and easy to obtain weapons that can reliably pierce
> a flak-jacket. It's handy, and advised, to keep one around should the
> government or people like you ever need a lesson. I bought mine from the
> above mentioned "felons". All legal.
>
> But then your idiotic comments only partially apply to those that are
> willing to obey someone else's opinions (laws). I hear tell that even dead
> people have been known to vote.
>

Some call it Resurrection Day. Others call it Election Day


--
Peter

From: Peter on
"Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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>

> So your claim to my "Idiocy" comes down to a discussion of the definition
> of, "firearms". - OK. I stand corrected. There are SOME firearms that are
> denied to convicted felons. And voting rights are also restricted. Are you
> happy now?

Not in all states.

--
Peter