From: Jeff Jones on
On Wed, 5 May 2010 15:37:19 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:

>
>So your claim to my "Idiocy" comes down to a discussion of the definition
>of, "firearms". - OK. I stand corrected. There are SOME firearms that are
>denied to convicted felons. And voting rights are also restricted. Are you
>happy now?

Every person on earth is an idiot in my eyes, until proven otherwise. Even
Stephen Hawking is a proven idiot and plagiarist in my eyes. When I
contacted him on my findings on the properties of dark-matter and the
properties of empty space he replied with a form-letter claiming that
neither subject was worth considering. One of his books was a (nearly)
word-for-word translation from a (now dead) and little known French
cosmologist published back in the 1950's.

So don't feel too bad if I call you an idiot.

A better choice of words in your instance might have been uninformed or
ignorant.


From: tony cooper on
On Wed, 5 May 2010 09:32:49 -0400, "Peter"
<peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote:

>"Neil Harrington" <never(a)home.com> wrote in message
>news:KP2dnX6auNel9XzWnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>
>> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
>> news:4be14ba7$1$7706$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com...
>>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:846dndujn9PbRn3WnZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:4bdffec6$1$27720$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com...
>>>>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:feqdnRdL4qPZMELWnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, and our government has defined marriage, so all non-felons should
>>>>>> be allowed to participate in it. <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> In what State are felons not permitted to marry?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Peter
>>>> I was speaking of the general fact that constitutional rights are
>>>> available to all non felons......
>>>
>>> Exactly where in the Constitution does it say that felons lose their
>>> rights. And which rights are you talking about. Aside from possibly some
>>> under the Second Amendment, which has never been tested?
>>
>> In many (if not most) states, convicted felons lose the right to vote.
>>
>
>
>Only while incarcerated.

In Florida, a convicted felon loses his/her voting right, rights to
hold public office in Florida, serve on a jury, and obtain certain job
licenses. The rights are not restored after release from prison, but
the person can apply for restoration to the Governor. Restoration is
not guaranteed.


>I am not sure of most States. But in NY upon completion of the sentence,
>voting rights are restored. I think. or hope, many if not all, states have
>provision for restoration of voting rights upon completion of the sentence.
>

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: tony cooper on
On Wed, 5 May 2010 17:51:11 -0400, "Peter"
<peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote:

>There was an unsuccessful attempt to change "manhole' to "people hole." the
>attempt was unsuccessful because nobody could figure out how to make money
>from championing the change.
>
>For an interesting article on the subject see:
>http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/its_that_silly_politically_cor.html


In Florida, new road construction signs say "Workers Present" instead
of "Workmen Present". The extra lettering required to say "People
standing around doing nothing" was considered to be too expensive.

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: tony cooper on
On Wed, 5 May 2010 07:58:23 -0400, "Neil Harrington" <never(a)home.com>
wrote:

>>>>> All this talk of "permitting" or "banning" misses the point entirely.
>>>>> Marriage has been -- until quite recently at least -- defined as the
>>>>> legal union of a man and a woman.
>>>>>

Why do you keep harping on the "definition" of marriage? Words change
their definition according to current usage. New definitions evolve.
We are not controlled by what appears in a dictionary, and the
dictionary will change when usage changes require it.


--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: Peter on
"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:sjs3u5dgulnnl8vnra6qdj5qtt8jqaco06(a)4ax.com...
> On Wed, 5 May 2010 09:32:49 -0400, "Peter"
> <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>>"Neil Harrington" <never(a)home.com> wrote in message
>>news:KP2dnX6auNel9XzWnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>
>>> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
>>> news:4be14ba7$1$7706$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com...
>>>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:846dndujn9PbRn3WnZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4bdffec6$1$27720$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com...
>>>>>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:feqdnRdL4qPZMELWnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, and our government has defined marriage, so all non-felons
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> be allowed to participate in it. <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In what State are felons not permitted to marry?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>> I was speaking of the general fact that constitutional rights are
>>>>> available to all non felons......
>>>>
>>>> Exactly where in the Constitution does it say that felons lose their
>>>> rights. And which rights are you talking about. Aside from possibly
>>>> some
>>>> under the Second Amendment, which has never been tested?
>>>
>>> In many (if not most) states, convicted felons lose the right to vote.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Only while incarcerated.
>
> In Florida, a convicted felon loses his/her voting right, rights to
> hold public office in Florida, serve on a jury, and obtain certain job
> licenses. The rights are not restored after release from prison, but
> the person can apply for restoration to the Governor. Restoration is
> not guaranteed.
>

Back to the original drift:
None of the rights you mentin are Constitutional. Restoration of
professional licenses should be discretionary. Not all felonys are equal.
The circumstances of commission of the crime, even the same crime may not be
equal. One guy may hold up a convenience store because his familoy is
starving and he sees no other way to feed them and it is his first time. The
other may hold up a convenience store to feed a drug habit and he has done
this at least three other times.

>
>>I am not sure of most States. But in NY upon completion of the sentence,
>>voting rights are restored. I think. or hope, many if not all, states
>>have
>>provision for restoration of voting rights upon completion of the
>>sentence.
>>
>
> --
> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida



--
Peter