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"Neil Harrington" <never(a)home.com> wrote in message
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> nm5k(a)wt.net wrote:
>> On May 5, 7:46 pm, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Also in California, convicted felons cannot possess, or have access
>>> to firearms or ammunition even after completion of parole.
>>
>> Far as I know, that applies to all 50 states. It's a federal thang..
>
> Yep. Every time I bought a handgun at a dealer's, one of the forms I had
> to fill out was a federal one asking among several other things if I'd
> ever been convicted of a felony. All the questions on that form had to be
> answered "No" or the dealer couldn't make the sale.
>
> I haven't bought a gun for years now and don't know if that's still the
> case, but it was for many, many years.
>
>> Some have been able to get gun rights restored, but it's an
>> ordeal.
>
> So I understand. I've read that even when rights are restored by whatever
> government authority does that, the BATF may not allow a gun purchase and
> that's that (unless you're a friend of a powerful politician, probably).
>
Yes.....And the 64 dollar question is: If you were buying the gun to rob a
bank, would you hesitate for one second to lie when you filled out the form?
How many bank robbers (or murderers)do you know that are too honest to tell
a lie?

From: Truman on
On Thu, 6 May 2010 18:32:54 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote:

>
>"Neil Harrington" <never(a)home.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Pete Stavrakoglou" <ntotrr(a)optonline.net> wrote in message
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>>> "Neil Harrington" <never(a)home.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> I must be missing something here. What on earth is the evil and unlawful
>>>> thing about a firearm being colored bright green or bright orange?
>>>> (Bright pink would be OK, I suppose?)
>>>
>>> Toy guns are marked with orange and green plastic, such as a thick orange
>>> band around the end of the barrel, so police know the gun is a toy and
>>> not to mistakenly fire on someone who is holding a toy. If real weapons
>>> were colored like that, the police would then think a real weapon is a
>>> toy.
>>
>> Ah! Now that reminds me of something:
>>
>> Several years ago a little girl, I think about seven or eight, was
>> expelled or suspended for bringing a water pistol to school. I believe
>> this was in Chicago but am not sure. There was a video clip of the
>> miscreant on TV, and I remember her, near tears, saying "It was just a
>> squirt gun," in obvious puzzlement as to why she was being punished in
>> this way.
>>
>> The principal or some other school official was interviewed about it, and
>> explained that the punishment was called for because the other children
>> might have mistaken it for a real gun and become traumatized, and the
>> school had to act to prevent blah blah blah blah.
>>
>> Then they showed a shot of the offending weapon. It was a little water
>> pistol made of orange TRANSLUCENT plastic with some green plastic parts.
>> No one but a monumentally stupid, officious pecksniff of a bureaucrat
>> could possibly have imagined it something that could have been "mistaken
>> for a real gun."
>>
>> But yes, I guess that actually is the explanation for the orange and green
>> business.
>>
>It's only a question of time before the chemical engineers come up with a
>plastic that is translucent and colored bright green or orange, and is
>strong and heat resistant as steel and can be used for a gun......(Ford is
>working on a plastic automobile engine right now.) Then the liberals will
>have to outlaw plastic.....:^)

Ceramics already qualify, except for the fully translucent part.

From: Bill Graham on

"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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> On 2010-05-06 12:26:34 -0700, nm5k(a)wt.net said:
>
>> On May 5, 7:46 pm, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Also in California, convicted felons cannot possess, or have access to
>>> firearms or ammunition even after completion of parole.
>>
>> Far as I know, that applies to all 50 states. It's a federal thang..
>> Some have been able to get gun rights restored, but it's an
>> ordeal.
>
> California has a petition route Cal. PC 12021(c)(2) for peace officers to
> gain relief from the prohibition, but in my experience it is never granted
> since felony conviction (in California, and I am sure the other 49 states)
> usually results in disqualification to hold peace officer status.
>
> I personally know of one peace officer who was convicted of felony spousal
> battery, and received a suspended sentence. He lost his job because he
> could not legally have control of a fire arm. He had a desk job for about
> 8 months, and after an IA investigation and hearing, he lost his badge,
> and all that went with it. He has never been able to get the prohibition
> lifted.
>
> Also California has a provision in Cal. PC 12021(c)(3), allowing a one
> time petition for lifting the firearm prohibition, for those convicted of
> some felonies prior to January 1, 1991.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Savageduck
>
Yes.....Isn't it wonderful how our government spins it's wheels over
nothing, while any maniac who really wants to commit a capital crime can get
all the guns (or anything else) he needs to do so? Why aren't these idiots
working in the Cadillac factory so I can be driving one of those instead of
the Japanese wonder I am driving? - Sorry.....Just another thing that
keeps me awake nights.......

From: Bill Graham on

"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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>> Point taken....What do you think of Arizona's new Governor declaring that
>> the second amendment gives all citizens in good standing the right to
>> carry a concealed weapon without any licensing whatsoever? She has
>> recently signed such a bill into Arizona law. She is a governor after my
>> own heart........:^)
>
> Seems fair enough to me. The question is, what does "in good standing"
> mean?
> When are you moving?
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Savageduck
>

Well, I suspect that the convicted felon restriction will still apply, since
it is a federal law....As to when I move, I think I am too old to really
move....I might buy something small, like a home in a trailer court just to
give myself an address.....I have been successful doing that kind of thing
in the past, before I actually was able to move out of California.

From: Bill Graham on

"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
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> On 2010-05-06 17:23:56 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> said:
>
>>
>> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
>> news:2010050605111770933-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom...
>>> On 2010-05-06 00:58:10 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> said:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Having been through the pot-smoking 60's, I know several convicted
>>>> felons who can't own guns.....And most of them have wives who do own
>>>> them, and keep them on their husband's side of the bed.
>>>
>>> ...and in California, at least, they have put their wives in jeopardy of
>>> a misdemeanor conviction.
>>> Cal. PC 12021(g)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Savageduck
>>>
>> That's certainly true, but it is also true that you are a lot better off
>> with a dead intruder on your bedroom floor and facing a misdemeanor
>> conviction, than you are with your dead husband on the floor, and facing
>> a funeral........I don't make the laws, but I sure as hell have to live
>> with them.
>
>
> However if the spouse is trained and drilled in accessing and the
> effective use of that defensive firearm, the legal problem for the spouse
> goes away. (for home defense, the sound of a shell being racked into a 12
> gauge pump, such as a Remington 870, can get an intruder's attention, and
> out of the house very quickly, with no shot fired!)
>
> Also, when was the last time you discovered an intruder in your home?
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Savageduck
>
You are right about the sound of the shotgun. but convicted felons can't
have those either...I have never found an intruder in my house, but I have
found a couple of them in my back yard......I sure felt silly standing there
in my underwear with a pistol in my hand.....:^)