From: Peter on
"Neil Harrington" <never(a)> wrote in message
> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)> wrote in message
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>> "Neil Harrington" <never(a)> wrote in message
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>>> In New England gun laws vary a lot from one little state to the next.
>>> Massachusetts and Rhode Island are very tough about guns, Connecticut
>>> has been getting tough, the other three states are generally pretty
>>> relaxed.
>> IIRC, in New York City, you couldn't even own a gun in your own home
>> during the years I lived there....(from 1935 to 1952) Judging from how
>> liberal they are there, I doubt if the law has changed at all......Bernie
>> Goetz doesn't even live there anymore.....
> When I was a kid on Long Island (1930 to 1945) most of the kids I knew had
> guns in their homes, sometimes many guns. Whether they were legal or not I
> don't know, but if not it didn't matter much as there was none of the
> anti-gun hysteria we've had since the '60s.
> In those days there was still the big Bannerman's store in NYC. Are you
> familiar with Bannerman's? They sold all sorts of arms, armor, ammunition,
> uniforms, etc., picked up from the battlefields of the world or bought
> cheap from governments that were upgrading their equipment and selling off
> their old stuff. Bannerman's had a huge catalog and all sorts of stuff in
> the store, and a lot more on Bannerman's private island in the Hudson.
> They had everything from suits of armor and lances to sabers, cannon and
> Gatling guns. And a great deal of Civil War equipment.
> A friend of mine (about 15 at the time) went in to the city and at
> Bannerman's bought a Joslyn single-shot carbine, a Civil War weapon that
> took the same .56 rimfire cartridges as the Spencer repeating carbine of
> the period. He also bought an original pack of seven cartridges (that was
> the magazine capacity of the Spencer). We took the Joslyn out to a nearby
> meadows to try it out. The 80-year-old cartridges still went off with a
> satisfying boom and cloud of black-powder smoke, and hit the old sign he'd
> picked as a target about 100 yards away. Gun and cartridges had only cost
> him a few dollars. Of course he had to carry them home via subway and then
> the L.I.R.R. -- nobody cared about such things in those days; high school
> and college students on rifle teams in the city used to carry their target
> rifles on the subway.
> Alas, I guess we will never see such days again. It was a much better and
> more innocent time.

If a legal gun owner on Long Island wants to go upstate to hunt, he must
wither risk violating NYC ordinances or take the ferry.

This is my rifle, this is my gun.
This is for fighting, the other for fun.

From: Neil Harrington on
nm5k(a) wrote:
> On May 5, 5:29 pm, Jeff Jones <jj197109...(a)> wrote:
>>> Felons don't have the right to own weapons, or vote, and there are
>>> other rights they don't have.
>> Not true. You can still hunt with and own firearms. I spent a season
>> camping at a hunter's-camp one time that was owned by felons. We had
>> an interesting discussion on what kinds of firearms they are
>> allowed. They sold all sorts of fun "toys" in their tourist shop.
>> There are only certain types of firearms not allowed. The Bill of
>> Rights applies to EVERYONE. I bet a black-powder burn will hurt just
>> as bad if not more as you are dying.
> I don't think that is right, and I know that there are no distinctions
> made between different types of firearms. If you are a felon, and
> have not had the rights restored, you can't own ANY firearms.

That is my understanding too. But muzzle-loading weapons are not considered
"firearms" under the laws of my state, or federal law either as far as I
know. You can buy flintlock pistols and rifles, cap-and-ball revolvers,
etc., by mail order (or Internet of course) with no problem, generally
speaking, though there may be some local or state laws prohibiting this.

From: Neil Harrington on
Bill Graham wrote:
> "Neil Harrington" <never(a)> wrote in message
> news:a5-dnRbaBoOvPH7WnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d(a)
>> tony cooper wrote:
>>> On Thu, 6 May 2010 16:25:36 -0400, "Neil Harrington"
>>> <never(a)> wrote:
>>>> "Pete Stavrakoglou" <ntotrr(a)> wrote in message
>>>> news:hruv1g$brq$1(a)
>>>>> "Neil Harrington" <never(a)> wrote in message
>>>>> news:grmdne439N7Lb3_WnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d(a)
>>>>>> I must be missing something here. What on earth is the evil and
>>>>>> unlawful thing about a firearm being colored bright green or
>>>>>> bright orange? (Bright pink would be OK, I suppose?)
>>>>> Toy guns are marked with orange and green plastic, such as a thick
>>>>> orange band around the end of the barrel, so police know the gun
>>>>> is a toy and not to mistakenly fire on someone who is holding a
>>>>> toy. If real weapons were colored like that, the police would
>>>>> then think a real weapon is a toy.
>>>> Ah! Now that reminds me of something:
>>>> Several years ago a little girl, I think about seven or eight, was
>>>> expelled or suspended for bringing a water pistol to school. I
>>>> believe this was in Chicago but am not sure. There was a video clip
>>>> of the miscreant on TV, and I remember her, near tears, saying "It
>>>> was just a squirt gun," in obvious puzzlement as to why she was
>>>> being punished in this way.
>>>> The principal or some other school official was interviewed about
>>>> it, and explained that the punishment was called for because the
>>>> other children might have mistaken it for a real gun and become
>>>> traumatized, and the school had to act to prevent blah blah blah
>>>> blah.
>>>> Then they showed a shot of the offending weapon. It was a little
>>>> water pistol made of orange TRANSLUCENT plastic with some green
>>>> plastic parts. No one but a monumentally stupid, officious
>>>> pecksniff of a bureaucrat could possibly have imagined it
>>>> something that could have been "mistaken for a real gun."
>>>> But yes, I guess that actually is the explanation for the orange
>>>> and green business.
>>> You really can be an idiot at times. Do a Google search for
>>> "colored guns". Real guns that look like toy water pistols are for
>>> sale. Would you know these were real?
>> I love it. Bloomberg is a jerk and so are you.
>> During a citizens' course at the local police department they showed
>> a water pistol (actually a faithful plastic copy of the Beretta
>> Model 86) that had been spray painted matte black, the apparent
>> reason being to make it suitable for use in a hold-up. Now that
>> makes sense, a pretend-real gun.
>> I can't see much real point to doing the reverse, making a real gun
>> into a pretend-toy gun, but that evidently was not Lauer's reason
>> for the paint jobs anyway.
>> Anything that annoys Bloomberg is fine with me, whatever the
>> motivation.
> Of course, you know the real reason for this toy gun business, don't
> you? In 1933 John Dillinger escaped from prison by using a toy gun,
> or one that he made himself by carving it out of a bar of soap or
> some such thing, and they are still so mad about that that they will
> make toy guns illegal for the rest of time....:^)

They would if they could. And even a toy gun isn't necessary to attract the
wrath of the anti-gun loonies. Some time ago I saw in the news that a little
kid in grammar school had been suspended for playing cops 'n' robbers or
something during recess. He said "Bang! Bang!" while pointing a forefinger
at a kid he was playing with -- HORRORS! -- that sort of behavior simply
cannot be tolerated!

From: Neil Harrington on
Savageduck wrote:
> On 2010-05-06 22:28:29 -0700, "Neil Harrington" <never(a)> said:
>> The Left Coast is hopeless I think, not even salvageable. We
>> probably should give California back to Mexico, which it seems to
>> have effectively become part of anyway. Among other benefits giving
>> it back would much improve the electoral college.
> Noooooooo!
> My Spanish is terrible to nonexistent. My Spanglish is
> uninterpretable.

Some provision should be made. I have a nephew on the Left Coast, and I
wouldn't want him subjected to the total Mexicization of California either.
But really, what are the state's prospects? Leftist-liberals and unions seem
to be succeeding in turning the state, for all its wealth and other
blessings, into an economic basket case.

From: Peter on
"Neil Harrington" <never(a)> wrote in message

> Some time ago I saw in the news that a little kid in grammar school had
> been suspended for playing cops 'n' robbers or something during recess. He
> said "Bang! Bang!" while pointing a forefinger at a kid he was playing
> with

If you do that do my daughter's dog, she rolls over on her back and sticks
all four feet in the air. (the dog, not my daughter.)